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Welcome to the Uncomplicated Perimenopause Podcast.

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I'm Kate Grosvenor, your friendly perimenopause expert and life coach, and I'm Gabriella Kate's daughter, representing all the women who are nowhere near perimenopause but want to understand it better.

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Whether you're just starting your perimenopause journey deep into it, whether you're just starting your perimenopause journey deep into it, or you're a loved one trying to support someone who is, we've got you covered.

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We'll be answering all of your burning questions, exploring the ups and downs and sharing expert advice and personal insights.

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So grab a cup of tea, get comfy and let's dive into the wonderful. Get comfy and let's dive into the wonderful, sometimes wild, world of perimenopause together.

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And remember, no matter where you are on your journey, you are not alone.

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Welcome to the Uncomplicated Perimenopause. Hello, my darlings, and welcome to episode 24. The last one Season finale. I know bum bum, bum, bum, bum Of the Uncomplicated Perimenopause Podcast. I'm Kate Grosvenor, a perimenopause expert and life coach.

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And I'm Gabriella Grosvenor, kate's daughter, still here learning with you all. You must know a bit by now, though, yeah, but this is my catchphrase now, but it's true story.

Speaker 1: 1:28

Actually, we were talking about that earlier on, weren't we saying you were obviously you're in the paramount with me, and you were like no, no bloke is ever going to pull the wool over my eyes after this. Like you are, you consider yourself now to be bulletproof to men's bs.

Speaker 2: 1:34

Oh yeah, well, the mother like you, yeah like try me bring it on, mate.

Speaker 1: 1:39

It's just not going to happen, is it? I've seen bigger and better yeah, and it's like do you think that's an advantage, though, or do you think it's just gonna be like?

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I'm so glad, I'm so glad I was exposed early to what they can be like, so it's like, okay, it doesn't, it doesn't hurt. So the day this is really bad. I, a year ago, my friend was telling me about the male gaze. I didn't know the male gaze was a saying, it was a phrase, it was a thing rowan told me. When I described it to her, she was like you don't know, the male gaze was a saying, it was a phrase, it was a thing. Rowan told me. When I described it to her, she was like you don't know the male gaze. I felt like my innocence was taken away from me that day. So after that day I'm like no, there is no. No, you can't, you can't, you can't.

Speaker 1: 2:17

Yeah, but yeah. So I mean, the thing is you now I love, you now are I love?

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one of my favourite things is when you're reading some of the comments in the group and you just go oh my God, no, oh, today, today, no, no, it angered me, it really angered me. Can I say what it was?

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True, true, and I'm not mentioning any names no the thing is, we have this beautiful group on Facebook, don't we? It's a support group. It's completely free. Everyone's welcome to join if you're a girl yes, no boys allowed.

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Yeah, yeah, and that's for a very good reason. When you hear the next bit of this yeah, so this lady pot on a post talking about is it normal to have no sex drive or very little sex drive and stuff, and like 30 women commented saying, yes, me too, me this, all of that. And then there was like two or three where the women were like it's, I'm the opposite, I'm desperate for attention and my husband will not go anywhere near me. He won't give me any physical attention and he's blaming me and you're like your friend he's blaming you.

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If that was me in a second, I would emasculate him and say no, it's because you can't do something. Let's be real. It's because of that. You're not blaming the woman for that. No, we're not doing that today.

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Blame your own biology I mean, it's such a complicated matter, isn't it? It's not an easy one, because there are men at that age that that um do start to have issues with erectile dysfunction, and there are, and it's a very, very sensitive topic for men. It's a very, very sensitive topic for men. It's a very sensitive topic for everyone, to be fair, because it I this, we have talked about it before the guilt from women when they suddenly their their sex drive and their libido drops off a cliff because it does feel like it's just disappeared overnight, um, and there's a lot of guilt from women, that feeling like, you know, it's not fair and it's because you feel like, oh, oh, my god, it's, it's the worst thing in the world, because he feels like I don't love him, but actually I just don't have any. I feel like I'm dead inside and I don't have any sexual urges left.

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But for men it feels like a um, an emasculating of I'm no longer a man and I understand that and that's very true, yeah, but then, because you feel emasculating of I'm no longer a man and I understand that and that's very true, yeah, but then, because you feel emasculated, we don't need to tear down the women because you're incapable and that's okay, you're incapable, it just needs a communication thing. Yeah, and just admit.

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But I mean, you were, you were on your, on your war horse, weren't you today? You were like, uh no no, not my girls yeah, so it's interesting. Anyway, we are the season one finale. What's the question for?

Speaker 2: 4:47

today. So the question for today is from the moi, from me it is because I think it's season finale. I think we should talk about you because we did have some questions and I went do you know what? No, Season finale it should be because I don't think anybody knows fully your perimenopause journey and experience and how you've gotten to where you have today. So today I'm going to interview you.

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Okay, bring it on, here we go.

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First question yes, when did you start? What year was it? Or how many years ago did you start feeling symptoms of perimenopause or acknowledging, oh, this could be perimenopause?

Speaker 1: 5:25

Okay, wow, so the first time I was aware.

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I right.

Speaker 1: 5:30

I knew there was something wrong in lockdown okay, it's four years ago yeah. So it is weird, isn't it? Because you feel like I should have known, but I didn't know, because I, I, um, I haven't had periods in forever, because I obviously had you and then I, and then I did have periods in between you and your sisters, but then when I had Rowan, so I was pregnant with Rowan.

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Rowan's second child for 2000.

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She was born in 2005. Then I was breastfeeding her for like a year and then I got pregnant with Jenna straight after I stopped breastfeeding pregnant with her and breastfed her for a year and then had the coil fitted the marina coil and then I had a coil and then a coil and then a coil, so like literally for I don't know 15 years and coils can either stop periods or not.

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For me stopped completely so.

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I didn't have any clue with periods, and that's usually where women know, so I had no period clues whatsoever. In lockdown, scott and I were cleaning our cars okay because we had nothing better to do yeah, actually no one had anything.

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It was like the beginning beginning like the first weekend. Everyone was in lockdown, like right at the beginning, and we were cleaning our cars and me being clever, you know. You know, because I'm, because I'm on the spectrum and the adhd part of the spectrum, not the tism part of the spectrum, um, I go all or nothing yeah, I saw that today it's either I do everything or I do nothing, so it either exists to the nth degree or I don't see it.

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Yeah, I mean, if you start to ask you're finishing it, yeah, and.

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I'm finishing it and if you disrupt me from it, my brain gets really upset. So we started to clean the cars and I was cleaning my car with Q-tips. It was going to be the cleanest thing on the planet and I was sitting in the car, in the car and I was cleaning everything and I then started to get really ill. And when I say really ill, I got super poorly and I thought I was having a stroke. That poorly, that poorly. So I went to lie down and I felt like my heart was. I was having heart palpitations. I started getting swelling on the side of my face, I got a rash, I felt kind of numb and shaky and we called one one and they were like oh my god, this is not okay.

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We went through all this stuff and it was locked down like it yeah just happened and people were dying yeah, you couldn't go to the gp, it wasn't. There's no gp. There's no. There's no a and e like nothing's happening.

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So I was like scared didn't know what it was, and so for the next, not being funny, but like we were all cleaning and doing strange stuff in the house and painting and doing stuff, and for a few months after that we didn't know what was going on and I kept having these weird incidences of nausea, vertigo, ear problems, rashes, hot flashes, and would go to the GP on and off for the next six to like almost a year. And they tested me for and, by the way, I'm already a life coach at this point, so I don't have there's no kind of depression with this, there's no mental health issue with it, so that they weren't going to give me antidepressants so there's no mental health, because that's quite often what they prescribe.

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Women of my age they go oh you're, you're depressed.

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Here's some antidepressants. There was none of that, so they didn't have any. Get out of jail free card with an antidepressant, because that's usually what they do you're depressed?

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here's an antidepressant. Sleeping disorders here. Take some sleeping pills. So they started testing me for ramsey hunt syndrome, slack fat syndrome, immune disorders, because they thought my body was attacking itself mignon's disease, ear problems, neuron problems. And they started testing me for all these really complicated things. They did all these massive blood scans, blood things. Nothing wrong with me. I mentioned hormones and they said, no, you're far too young for all of that.

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Okay.

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You're far too young for that. It can't be possible. You need hormones. They did my iron test. They did everything. They did every single possible thing. They could do nothing wrong with you. Then I kept saying but my ear hurts, I've got an itchy ear I remember you saying that itchy ear, just one ear. So because it's one ear, must be an ear infection oh yeah, oh yeah so, but they couldn't see anything wrong with my ear. Yeah, and I don't have fevers.

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You know I'm one of those weird people yes, so I can have a chest infection, I can have pneumonia. I can have pneumonia, I can have like really bad things, but I don't ever spike a fever, and I was trying to explain that to them, so it must be an ear infection, antibiotic after antibiotic, and then I went to one doctor and he said I must have burst an eardrum, right, because he couldn't see my eardrum.

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And then they gave me more antibiotics. And then I went to see another nurse and she said no, be stupid, I can see your eardrum. And it went on and on and on and this is like two years and I was having nausea and I was having like just weird symptoms and my life, my quality of life at this point started to get really like bad. You know, I was really struggling with nausea. I was really struggling with like the odd hot flash. I was really starting to struggle with night sweats and I wasn't putting the pieces together weirdly, because it was just spasmodic did you know about the difference at that point between menopause and perimenopause?

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I had never heard the word perimenopause in my life okay, so you're just thinking it was menopause? No one was talking about it. No one had said perimenopause. I was 45. No one had ever said the word perimenopause in my life, 50 was menopause still and no one I didn't know anybody was talking about perimenopause I mean, and mccall hadn't started talking about it. I wasn't on tiktok. No one had said the word. Yeah, no one had come out and said it. No one was was discussing it. There was, there was nothing yeah yeah, so I wasn't 50.

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They were telling me I was too young.

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I believed them yeah, the too young the too young thing and there wasn't.

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It wasn't yet in the, in the media, so I I had no clue. So anyway I went. I went back to the nurse and she said don't be ridiculous, because it was this young doctor blessing that I said I burst a knee drum. I went back to her and I just said um, listen, I'm not right. Okay, I'm not right and my quality of life is now being affected. I'm really unhappy. I've got all these symptoms. I've said it to all these doctors. This is the first time I've seen the nurse. This is why I always champion nurses. I've seen all these doctors and I bear in mind I've had what? Four or five sets of antibiotics and they kept sending me back again and I kept saying I've got this really four or five sets of antibiotics. And they kept sending me back again and I kept saying I've got this really itchy ear.

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I feel like my ear's swollen.

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I'm really uncomfortable in one ear yeah and it still it's there and blah, blah and um, I went to see her and I, and they went I think the doctors got bored of me because they sent me to this nurse and um. So I said to them listen, I don't know what to do. And I said to her I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be funny with you, but I still think it's hormonal, because it feels like I did in pregnancy I'm really tired and I've nauseous and this ear thing I don't know what it is, but it's driving me mental. And she looked at me, she went how old are you? And I said well, I'm 40, this one is 46. I was a 46 and they keep telling me I'm too young. But I know I'm not pregnant because I've done a pregnancy test. Did you?

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yeah, yeah, because I, just because it felt like yeah, yeah, I had done a pregnancy test because I was like baby, imagine I know. But like I was like, yeah, I was like it felt like pregnancy. Because I was like it felt like pregnancy, because I was like I had to sort of Everything, just felt wrong. And she went. And I just said do you think we could do HRT? And she went of course we can.

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And she put me on HRT. And I'd like to say and after that I felt amazing, I felt worse, I felt horrendous- I really didn't think you were going to say that you didn't think you were going to say that you didn't did.

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You thought I was going to say, because I know you're on HRT now, yeah and you thought I was going to say and I lived happily ever after, and then I became a perimenopause expert because of that nurse oh, it was just amazing.

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No, she put me on some tablets do you remember her name? No, oh, unfortunately yeah and she's a lovely woman, though bless her.

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I just thought we'd give her a shout out, but no she was um, and I went on tablets and they just made me feel like so nauseous it was disgusting. So I went back to and I went this is not working. I gave it a couple of months I was like I really feel bad, yeah. So I said could I try the patch? And she went, yeah, sure, put me in the patch and that was my happily ever after. So you know message to everyone out there some things work better than other things, yeah, and what works for you doesn't work for everybody else. So I have the coil the marina coil still, yeah, um, for progesterone, and I have the patch that works for me for oestrogen. I haven't gone up or down on the patch. I know I went up another level on the patch, but I could go up another two levels, but I don't need to because it still works, did you?

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start that at 46, or was it a bit later?

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then the patch probably about 47 by that point, I don't, I can't remember it was like a year and a bit, until you actually found no, I mean by the time you, you know you.

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I went up. Now I probably started the patch 46, went up to the next level at 47. Um, I could go up another couple of levels, but I'm not having any more vasomotor symptoms. Weirdly, I was doing a research paper, just as I do, and the other day and one of the medicines that I take for my neuralgia actually helps with vasomotor symptoms. Oh so, just weirdly, it's not designed for it, but it does help with them. That's good, I know, just ironically. So yeah, so that's how I got to where I am okay and what remedies or what little things help you in your day-to-day.

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Now that you've managed it a bit better.

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Okay.

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Um. So for the women going on the other side, a little bit like getting to the other side or still trying to figure out what natural remedies and what supplements they can take.

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So the number one thing you need to do in perimenopause is look after your sleep. This is a true story, because if you don't sleep, you're scuppered. Sleep and deep sleep is the number one thing you really really need, and for many women that is a true story. If you don't sleep, you're scuppered. Sleep and deep sleep is the number one thing you really really need, and for many women that is a problem, including me. Sometimes I go through periods of sleeping and not sleeping, and some of that's neuralgia based, some of that's ADHD based. If I'm really interested in a project, it affects my sleep.

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That's always been the case with me. So sleep is essential, because that's when your body helps to regulate your hormones, and that's really important. So do what you can to sleep, but it's what's helped you, what's helped me. Supplements have massively helped me. Collagen is the number one thing that's helped me. It's helped my knees. It's helped my back. My back is no longer in pain, which is a miracle, because it's been in pain since I was in my early 20s yeah so collagen is the thing that has helped me the most yeah, we've, always we've.

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I've grown up with you having always back problems, so that's amazing that that the collagen's helped I don't know why.

Speaker 1: 16:16

I always had back problems, but I've always had back problems and now I no longer have back problems. Amazing, collagen is the thing that's helped me the most. If you're going to the, the thing that you can do best is to get yourself on good quality supplements and just commit to taking them consistently. There's a lot of noise out there in the supplements market.

Speaker 1: 16:36

I'm not saying you have to take our supplement range, but I would say find out what you exactly you need, and one of the things that we do differently from other people is that we provide advice and we tell people how to take things and we tell people why they have to take things, what they're there for and what times of the day. Yeah, so we try and give people extra help with it.

Speaker 2: 16:56

And we do bundle vitamin deals, I don't think and supplements deals I don't know if many other people, Because I don't pay attention to what else is out there.

Speaker 1: 17:08

I just know that when I started my journey. I'd go to very well-known supplement shops and go and ask their advice and they wouldn't know. And then I'd ask them which magnesium should I take as a woman in perimenopause? To a very well-known high street shop.

Speaker 2: 17:18

I think I know the one you mean.

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And they, oh, this is the manager. And he said well, I don't know, but this one's very well. I don't know, but this one's very well, this one gets absorbed very well by your body. And it gave me magnesium citrate, and magnesium citrate is great. If you've got constipation, oh Well, I don't know many women in perimenopause that necessarily do have constipation. Yeah, that's not the main issue. Now, if a woman came to me in perimenopause and said which magnesium should I take? Well, I've created a magnesium complex, yeah, created a magnesium um complex. Yeah, why magnesium complex? Because it's got magnesium glycinate, which helps you, helps you sleep. Magnesium taurate, which helps you, know, um, feel less anxious. Magnesium malate, which helps to relax your muscles. And because a lot of women in perimenopause get very stressed muscles and, yeah, very fatigued muscles. So I've created a complex of those three. You gave me something utterly different.

Speaker 2: 18:05

That's, that's not okay I mean, you could even why that?

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one yeah just because his knowledge was. It crosses the barrier and it's tolerant, it's well tolerated by the system.

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Maybe it was a popular bought product as well yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:15

So do you see what I mean it's like? Why would you give a woman in paramenopause that particular one, just because it's readily absorbed by the system?

Speaker 2: 18:23

the staff should be more educated if they're going to be supposed to be recommending people.

Speaker 1: 18:27

They are well educated, but they're not well educated on perimenopause and the issue is women's bodies and perimenopause are very have very, very, very specific needs, that it is utterly different from everybody else I mean really, really are you know anyway I, I could rant all day on that.

Speaker 1: 18:47

So this is the thing. So what else? Manage your stress? Managing my stress I am such a relaxed little pussycat in comparison to every other time of my life, deliberately. So what you try to be, I just let it go. Yeah, I don't sweat the small stuff. Yeah, I know now the effects of stress on my body and it's just not worth it. Perimenopause if you don't let go of the stress, you will gain weight to a rapid extent.

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If you don't let go of the small stuff, if you hold on to your stress, your body's hormones will be out of balance, because there's something called the progenin steal Very, very boring stuff probably. I find it fascinating, but it stops your body from producing progesterone and so you end up in a state of eastern dominance. And when you end up in a state of eastern dominance, you get crampy, you get moody, you get bloated, you get crampy and it ruins ruins your mood, it ruins your physical health and it's really unpleasant. So you gain weight, you cramp your headaches, you're just really uncomfortable, yeah so, and you're just not nice to you. It's never, never mind not being nice to be around, it's not nice to be inside you yeah so managing your stress is super duper important.

Speaker 1: 20:08

So sleep, managing your stress, looking after yourself, because I think you get to the point where you're like I just have to look after me. I can't this self-harm thing and I don't mean self-harm, as in self-harming I'm not talking about doing something deliberately to self-harm but if you're not looking after yourself, you're self-harming. There's only two ways toharm. But if you're not looking after yourself, you're self-harming. There's only two ways to look at yourself. If you're not taking care of yourself, you're neglecting yourself and that's a version of self-harm. And in perimenopause you have to look after yourself. We cannot neglect ourselves anymore because it just gets to the point where your body and your mind and your soul cannot tolerate anymore the just bare minimum yeah I have to have a bath every, if not every, day, like five days a week, because my I need to soothe.

Speaker 1: 20:57

You know me and my bath oils yeah, you know that waft through the house, you know, and I deliberately have this sleep and a whole pair in a pause brand just to get them by everything on the day, the olvera and bar foil. And then I get out and I do all my hand massage and my foot massage, you know, and it sounds like ridiculous but I have to.

Speaker 1: 21:15

I deliberately chill myself out and look after myself because I know that without that it's a, it is an upward, you know, uphill battle. So, managing your stress, sleep supplements, just give yourself a fighting chance. Last one, I'd say manage your gut every day. I mean, everybody laughs at me because I have the same breakfast every day pretty much. Yeah, um, homemade granola or roll the granola. Shout out to those boys because they really know the granolas. Um, it's all. Shout out to the boys, to the boys that roll with granola. Seriously, greek yogurt marks and spencer's 10% fat greek yogurt. Fantastic load of berries for antioxidants. But it really helps.

Speaker 1: 21:54

Look after my gut first thing in the morning and coffee with collagen and coffee with collagen, yeah, and soon to be something else in the evening, we don't think. Hopefully, if we get that sorted soon, um, that stuff sorts your day out in the beginning. Healthy dose of yoga, yeah, I think, I think that's great.

Speaker 2: 22:10

I think I've nailed everything. Last question, just so we don't go too much over time. What advice would you give to women, then, who are struggling at the moment? What heartfelt for their mental health? Not what they can do to help, but kind of advice. What message would you like to to give?

Speaker 1: 22:26

Okay, gosh, so much, I don't know where to start. Okay, this is. Perimenopause is not a few months, it's a chapter, and it's a meaty chapter. It's a long one. Don't take this lightly. You will get through it, absolutely you will get through it. But it's not. It will knock, the waves will wash over you and take your knees out if you're not standing upright. So it's very doable. It doesn't have to be a shit show, but you have to. You can't be a passive recipient. If you're a passive recipient, it's going to take you under yeah, yeah okay, you have to be in.

Speaker 1: 23:04

You have to be in the driver's seat. Yeah, don't try and control everything, because you can't. We all know you can't control everything, but you have to stand up and be counted and say, okay, I see you praying menopause. I've got my eyes on you, like I see what you're doing and just be knowledgeable. You know it doesn't. It doesn't have to ruin your life, but it it just has to be something that you actively work on. Let Let go of the woman that you were.

Speaker 2: 23:27

That's good.

Speaker 1: 23:28

That's powerful, really important, because she is no longer available to you. The she that was there is not coming back. Your body's not coming back. Your mindset that was there is not coming back. She's gone. If you want to mourn her, mourn her, I would suggest just kind of say a cheerio and just look forward to the woman that you're going to become, because the one, the one that you're going to become, is wiser, calmer. I promise you karma, because you're not going to have that hormonal crap going on. So she's, she's wiser, she's calmer. And the other side of paramenopause is a very peaceful, chilled, like happy, like content version, but she's not the same version. She's not the same you, yeah, and you're gonna have a battle or a or a journey to get through to this other woman, but you can't have both. So if you're, if you've got one hand trying to hold on to the past, you can't then grab hold of the wiser, calmer you in the future, you have to let go. You have to let go and it's okay. It's okay to do that.

Speaker 2: 24:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:36

But don't try and have it all. You know it's important because we want to still, so many women are like, but I don't recognize myself and I don't. It's okay, take so so many women you're like, but I don't recognize myself and I don't. It's okay, take that leap of faith in the fact that you will like the new you. You will like her because she's cool, like. She's chilled, she's experienced, she's relaxed and she knows what she wants. She's got a shit together, she's all right.

Speaker 1: 25:07

So just take a leap of faith in that and you'll get there. Just invest in yourself and you'll be alright. That was beautiful.

Speaker 2: 25:14

I think if I was in the prime minister I could cry because of that.

Speaker 1: 25:17

That was lovely well, that wraps up season 1 we are carrying on.

Speaker 2: 25:24

We just wanted it in season we will be back.

Speaker 1: 25:27

So, as always, if you have any questions you'd like us to answer, please feel free to WhatsApp us. Or if you're in our Paramenopause group, which is Paramenopause with Kate Grosvenor, please feel free. We have a weekly Fred, fred, fred thread and please feel free to ask us questions and we will be back with next week, right? Yeah, next week for season two, all right my darlings, take care and we will speak to you soon. Bye, thanks for joining us today on the uncomplicated perimenopause podcast. We hope you found this episode helpful and inspiring.

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